Work Without Borders

From working remotely to out of an office.

This article was published on December 02, 2009.
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Until September 2009 I spent my entire entrepreneurial career — dating back to 1995 — working out of my house, apartment, or dorm room. My life changed entirely when I started working out of our office in New York. Then Dave joined me in the new office a month later, with Jason to follow in May 2010. Here's why I'll never go back to working alone in a cramped apartment, hundreds of miles away from my business partners.

Transitioning to An Office

Working Out Of My Apartment

I graduated from college in May 2006, and at the time I was working on my startup TypeFrag (founded in 2003; sold in January 2007) full-time with my partner David Grampa. We also had two full-time employees working on our development team. It was a busy time in our lives. David was in Cleveland, I was in Connecticut but moving to New York in October, while the other two guys were both remote: one in Philadelphia and one in Louisville.

The four of us were all working in isolation. David wanted to set up shop in Cleveland, but I was convinced we could continue to work at a distance and see how things progressed. I was dead set on moving to New York City, which I felt was the Silicon Valley of the East. I figured I could make all the right connections there — which turned out to be true — and I also thought it made more sense to build our company there.

I moved on October, 2006 and began working out of my apartment in midtown Manhattan. Everything was great. This was my first apartment and I was away from home for the first time — my dorm room in college was actually only a five minute walk from home — and I felt free and productive working in New York.

I made good use of the opportunity and went to a lot of New York networking events, but I made my first mistake by having my "office" (i.e. a large desk and computer chair) in my bedroom. This continued for nearly a year and a half. I'd wake up, roll out of bed in my boxers and t-shirt, collapse onto my desk chair, and get to work. I'd forget to shower, brush my teeth, or eat anything until late in the afternoon. Then I'd usually head out to some sort of event, come home, and sit back down at my desk.

Life was passing me by awfully quickly. I didn't really start exploring New York and everything it had to offer until about sixteen months later, when it began to dawn on me that I was spending 90% of my waking hours in my bedroom.

So I moved my desk into the living room. At least then I'd have a 25-foot walk to my desk and I'd be forced to walk by the bathroom and kitchen, where I might take notice of the opportunities they afforded. This was a big improvement, but I had further distractions: my roommate or any guests he had over would come through the door right by my desk. The television was also in the living room and I couldn't very well keep him from watching.

I experimented with going to JELLY! and working out of New Work City, but it just wasn't for me. When I'm working around people, they need to be working on projects like mine (mainly web apps) or I get distracted quickly. Too many people were working on too many different sorts of project and I just couldn't focus.

I needed a change.

Moving To Our Office

I met Danny Wen and Shawn Liu when they presented Co-Op back in November, 2008 at the New York Tech Meetup. I was actually sitting next to my friend Dylan Fareed of ArtLog when I saw them present Co-Op. I told Dylan I thought it was a neat project, he agreed, and said he'd introduce me to Danny and Shawn after the Meetup, as Dylan had met them before.

Danny, Shawn and I grabbed Japanese curry at Curry-Ya — a terrific little spot in the East Village — and became instant friends. Fast-forward to around May, 2009: Danny mentioned that Harvest was thinking about getting their own office (instead of a shared space) and wanted to know if Carbonmade was interested in sub-leasing under them.

Obviously I was very interested. Working out of my apartment was really starting to get to me and I was getting less productive — it was taking me twice as long as before to get things done. I needed a change of scenery and the chance to work alongside people. I'm a "people person," so to speak, and isolating myself in my apartment was taking its toll.

We worked out the details, Danny and Shawn got a beautiful space in SoHo, and we were slated to move in July. Of course, construction delays cropped up and we didn't actually get to move in until September, but c'est la vie. I was content to wait until September, but still champing at the bit. It's really all I thought about this past summer. I think I must have bugged Danny about it so much that he was regretting having Carbonmade share the space. ;)

Face-to-Face

The first week I was in our new office, I was more productive than the previous month altogether (time:work ratio). That's not to say I didn't do the same amount of work, I just did it a lot faster. I'd get to the office around 9 and I'd get down to work. I'd then leave at a reasonable hour like 7, having worked a full 10 hours. In my apartment, I'd maybe have worked from morning until midnight to get the same amount done. But now when I left work I wouldn't touch Carbonmade stuff except for e-mails. It'd allow me to recharge and feel fresh for the next day.

Dave then arrived in New York around mid-October and we started working across from each other. The first day we went over things in our conference room — what a great room to think it! — and we accomplished more while brainstorming in there for one hour than we had during our typical three hour phone conversations a few times a week before we had the office.

It really helps to be face to face with a person: reading someone's body language and knowing you have their full attention just can't be done over the phone. When you're thinking over complex situations, your mind easily wanders and it helps to have that other person there to pull you back into focus.

We live together when Dave is in New York, so in the apartment we'd also chitchat once in a while about Carbonmade stuff, which you can't even think of doing when it's just phoning. We also continue to meet in the conference room whenever either of us has something important to discuss. What a change!

We drastically altered the nature of our new product (soon to be released) for the better in every way, and this was only because we were able to work things out face to face. It was a big transition for us to be able to do this, but we're both really happy we did. We've nixed a lot of bad ideas and are now focusing on what we think will work out best.

More to Come

I don't think you need everyone in the team to work out of the same office. Obviously, companies like 37signals and Harvest do very well working half their team remote, but I think you need that home base, and the founders need to be there. I don't think either company I just mentioned would argue with that. 37signals' Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson are both in Chicago, and Harvest's Danny Wen and Shawn Liu are both in New York City.

Our third partner Jason Nelson is moving to New York this coming May when his Chicago lease runs out. And Dave will likely switch from his Chicago commute to living in NYC full-time starting next summer. Once we have our core in NYC, I think we won't necessarily need others to be here with us, although it would obviously have its advantages.

I'm just happy that I'll never have to go back to working out of my apartment again.

Comments

Blue Sail Creative about 8 months ago

Well I dont completely agree.. Its a great article, and it proves that having a home base can be helpful in some way or another.

We run a remote agency at Blue Sail Creative, and thats because we would rather find the best talent we can regardless of the borders.

A Home Base is as good as the organization you have with your organization. I have my company run with a franchise model in my head. Not because I am planning on franchising, but it have the same type of experience working with you.

I use Basecamp for this and carefully documented rule guides for each team in the company. Each job has a very specific job, kind of like the assembly line.

Check out work the system by sam carpenter, and e-myth...two great reads on this.

Jake about 8 months ago

I agree 100%. It's nice to have the /option/ of working remotely, but day after day for years - it starts to eat at you and your productivity.

The brainstorming and collaboration experienced sitting just 10 feet away from your business partner in a start-up is invaluable. I consider water cooler chats that you don't and can't have /lost/ ideas.

Of course, that's just how I operate. Some people would rather be alone and work 15+ hours/day in their home office.

Andres Barreto about 8 months ago

I have ran a startup at an office location (20-30 employees) and startups 100% remote (dev teams spread throughout Latin America)

I have realized that for Software Developement + Design collaboration, it is a whole lot better to be working side-to-side screen-to-screen. Its easier and faster to indentify problems and solve them.

However, for all having to do with Sales/Marketing/PR it is more time-efficient to be working remotely since most of your interaction is with the outside world anyway.

I have yet to find a happy medium, when I am in an office environment I yearn to be working more efficiently from home, and when Im working remotely from home, I yearn office space.

Zach about 8 months ago

Thanks for the great perspective. I'm in the same boat as you, about to mark one year in an office having worked from home before.

The challenge I face is distractions in the office. The social aspects and face time have dramatically improved my flow but they have also proven a drain on my time.

I'm glad you've had a great experience. Looking forward to the new Carbonmade enhancements to come. ~Cheers

Dan Delphin about 8 months ago

This post is interesting because in some ways, I feel the opposite... I'd love to be able to work from home or anywhere. Now, take in mind that I have a FT job that I'm not crazy about and a startup I'm working on and its easy to see why I'd be happier working from home (on the startup). My desk currently is in my bedroom as well so I do understand what you mean by not leaving the bedroom often (from Friday night to Sunday morning I'm often in my room working or sleeping), but at the same time I'd rather be there than coming into work at my FT job's office. Anyway, the post gives me good insight into my options and the pros and cons should my startup get big enough for me to quit and need office space... hopefully that'll be sooner than later.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Jake: I had no idea how beneficial ''water cooler chats'' were until a few months ago. Even simply going to lunch and talking about interesting tangential topics can rejuvenate you. There's simply nothing better than basic human interaction.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Andres: That's an interesting distinction you make between the development/design and the pr/marketing/sales teams. That certainly makes sense on the surface. Curious, though, why do you think it's more time efficient for the pr/marketing/sales people to be working from home?

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Zach: Working from an office is still very new for me. It's possible that after a year or so the human interaction will start to slow me down. I hope it doesn't. :)

DShan about 8 months ago

I'm very on board with this...I've spent the last year working remotely, and I think you're right about the value of a work environment, especially as it relates to co-founders.

My day job, I work from home. I miss the office I used to work in, and I drive two hours once a week to work in a satellite office with some colleagues; those are my most productive days.

The startup I've been working on is a project involving three people, all in separate cities. We use 37signals, GoogleApps, Skype. We're moving quickly, possibly secured funding, and when/if that happens have all committed to moving to the same city.

There's no question we'll be four times as productive once we're all in one room. No question.

Bryan Le about 8 months ago

For what it's worth, I'm real proud of you Spencer. It's just a shame I don't work across the street any more or else we'd fill ourselves with a weekly Parisi sandwich.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

DShan: Great story about how you're more productive working at your satellite office even when you include the two hours of driving. I can see it.

Bryan: Thanks! You need to move back to New York City and, hopefully, back to SoHo. The neighborhood misses you and you need to check out our office.

Grant about 8 months ago

As someone who has been solo (more or less) for the last 3 years, without co-founders to work alongside my experience has still been very similar.

Only about a year ago I got my first office, shared with other companies. The fun thing is that we're all working in relatively the same areas.

The opportunity to simply run into other people that do what I do on a daily basis rejuvenated me and made me question why I waited so long to get office space in the first place.

At the same time, I'm still a huge fan of varied workspaces. I usually start each day at my favorite coffee shop, and sometimes finish work later, at home, but I think the key is having some available boundaries: I don't have to work from home (or coffee shops) and it makes me more productive all around.

Kevin Holesh about 8 months ago

I've not yet justified my need for an office, but I work solo most of the time. If I need a break from my house, I'll go to a coffee or sandwich shop.

I can see how there would be numerous advantages to meeting face to face with your co-founders. Occasional brainstorming sessions can produce a TON of ideas and you can always bounce ideas off of each other throughout the day rather than setting up a phone call.

I personally can't wait to build and design an office. I love what the Harvest guys did with it and the tumblr construction blog you linked to was immensely interesting! Thanks for another great article. I'm actually starting to look forward to Wednesdays, and not just because it's hump day.

Sachin about 8 months ago

Every thing has its own pros and cons..similarly for WFH or WFO.....

Jose about 8 months ago

My experience working at office and in home:

I prefer working at home BUT I like meeting people.

Why it has to be a binary world? 100%solo, 100%office?.

In my experience: too much office, you don't get focus on (hard) work done, too much alone, no social interaction.

IMHO you made things bad:

Everyday you need to exercise, this is a physical need for animals in general, not just humans, is not a luxury, not time wasting, it is a fundamental need.

Read Cesar Vidal book for dogs needs and what happens when they are not fulfilled. Same to humans.

Everyday you need to eat at fixed hours, digestion takes a lot of energy so it needs to be at the same time, EVERY DAY. That's obvious and you make it when you go to office, why not when in home.

Buy (good) teleconference equipment. It is an investment, not a cost, a real need too.

You need to disconnect, from time to time. People that can work full time usually do n one thing, and THAT'S AN ERROR.

Make a clear calendar as in your office.

Tibet monks are happy(real happy, we know they are one of the people on earth most happy when we do magnetic resonance scanners on them) because they use meditation techniques too.

It seems that you need discipline, the same way a dog doesn't do exercise if not forced, and get depressed for that, people need boundaries for restricting too much freedom, they could be external(office) or internal(home).

info@bluesailcreative.com about 7 months ago

See I am getting a lot of perspective from the conversation.

What I am seeing is a trend about better work habits when you are in the office and more collaboration.

I have successfully built a remote company with those principles in mind. What I find is that I have my designers work together, they collaborate in person and over basecamp, etc. All of the pieces of my company can be isolated down to the core and run independently of each other. I prefer to look at work and management as a big machine with several components.

You definitely need more discipline to work from home, but I also think you need good management. Working in an office turns on the 8hr workday scenario real fast. I don't think you need a full 8 hr day for the sake of an 8hr day. We are more results based and trust our team to want to get the job done.

Just a few more thoughts.....

Karen about 7 months ago

What a great story, and great to see how your workflow has changed by changing location!

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 7 months ago

Grant: Varied work spaces are key. I like what Posterous does: three days in the office and two days outside the office. I think that's something that I'll probably start doing (but maybe 4:1 to start). I worked the first two days of this week at home and found it refreshing.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 7 months ago

Kevin: Thanks for the kind words. I hope I can make your Wednesdays a bit more enjoyable. I think working solo you don't need an office so much, because you don't get the benefit of working face-to-face with your partner. As long as you have good self-discipline that forces you to get out of the house then you're good. I just didn't have that. :)

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 7 months ago

Jose: You have a very interesting comment. I totally agree with you that you don't need to be ''100% solo, 100% office'' and I should have added something on that. I think I'll do a follow up post in six months and see where I'm at and how things have changed. Maybe people really just need a change of pace every six months and working at home is no better or worse than working at an office. Hmm...

Karen about 7 months ago

I have the luxury of being able to work from home even though I have an office. I thought I would miss people WFH, but I really don't and find myself only going into the office about once a week. I don't think the location affects productivity, if anything, commuting to the office and lunch/hanging out with colleagues is a time waster.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 7 months ago

Karen: I agree that it can be a time waster, but it can also free up your mind and refresh you. Then you can take that energy and be more efficient during the work hours.

shawn about 7 months ago

Spencer, I don't know about ''instant friends'' part, man. :)

What's funny is that you saw us at the presentation for Co-op, which is our solution for the whole remote team problem. Co-op is our watercooler and status tool (that does not interrupt workflow). Maybe y'all should try it.

It's good having you here at the office, Spencer.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 7 months ago

Shawn: Co-Op is great. It just doesn't have built in water cooler talk and support real-life interaction! Where's the over the shoulder view? :)

Ryan Graves about 7 months ago

At my first startup, SocialDreamium, we were a dispersed team. My co-founder was in Sydney, Aus. The time differnece worked well but never ever getting to see each other in person to read each other was a killer. I too am a people oriented person and reading a person face-to-face is critical.

I likely won't do a startup without being face-to-face again.

Great post Spencer.

Brandon about 7 months ago

Spencer,

Great post! I'm curious, and this may be off subject to the actual post, how you afforded your first start up company (typefrag) and supported employees with being fresh out of college? Did you just happen to have start-up money? Did you hold another job?

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 7 months ago

Brandon: Glad you liked the post. A bit off subject, but happy to answer. I actually started my last company during the first semester of my sophomore year in college. Because of that I didn't have to pay for my housing or food (thanks to my parents). So my only expense was our single web server to start, which was about $120/month. I'd also had a number of successes before that too, which helped nullify the costs of starting TypeFrag.

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