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Why three co-founders is better than two.

This article was published on November 18, 2009.
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Nivi and Naval of Venture Hacks wrote an article last Thursday entitled "How to Pick a Co-Founder" that provides lots of useful advice and also argues that two co-founders is better than three. Having founded startups in all three ways — solo, with one co-founder, and with two co-founders — I'm going to provide my take on things and argue that three co-founders complementing each other's skill sets is ideal for today's Web startup.

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Triumvirate: The Power of Three

The word "triumvirate" is Latin for "of three people" and historically a triumvirate was a political system led by three powerful individuals. In Roman times triumvirates always led to civil wars, but Antony and Caesar did even worse after they got rid of Pompey, and for me three has been the ideal group size. In a three person founding team you've preferably got (1) a person to write backend code and do system administrative tasks, (2) a person to design and write frontend code, and (3) a person to handle the day-to-day operations of the business (see "What's a Non-Programmer To Do?").

There's a lot to do in a startup, so having three people rather than two or one should make things go more quickly. If you designate specific tasks, then you'll get better results across the board, too. Neil Patel talks about "dividing and conquering," which perfectly fits in with my triumvirate analogy. With three people you've got more things that you can divide and focus on.

One of the most difficult transitions is going from the founding team to your first hires. I experienced this with TypeFrag when we hired two full-time programmers, and it's something I'm about to go through with Carbonmade as we begin the hiring process for our first full-time employee. Hiring is not an easy process. Having three people can buy you more time, as three people can share the workload for longer.

Along those lines, two people can only put in, say, 12 hours a day for a total of 24 whereas three people can put in a total of 36 hours. These simple figures don't lie, and may help your team avoid being burned out too early on.

Too Many Chiefs, Not Enough Indians?

A common argument against having three or more co-founders is that with three there are too many people making decisions. "It's hard enough to get two people to agree, let alone three," many people argue. Having worked for nearly five years with one co-founder on TypeFrag and now three years and counting with two co-founders on Carbonmade, I think the "too many chiefs" argument is easily refuted in many co-founder situations.

Here's how I see it: If you and your single co-founder don't agree on something, there's no third party to mediate. You're left in a deadlock with nowhere to turn. Having only one other partner with TypeFrag often led to good ideas being left on the table, because neither of us would budge on some important decisions. We were both stubborn. We'd even try and pull friends into the mix to help us settle disputes, but friends are never impartial. Anyone I'd bring in would argue my position and anyone he'd bring in would argue his.

Having a third co-founder to mediate any important decisions is crucial for ending deadlocks and allowing your startup to move forward. Major decisions don't come up every day, fortunately, but it's important to have that third person there when they do. True, with one co-founder you could have an advisor trusted by both parties to help mediate decisions, but without a salary, or large equity stake, most advisors don't live the day-to-day part of the business and won't really be up to speed on things.

Neil Patel argues that with more than two co-founders you'll "notice that you will waste too much time making decisions and bickering over small things." That has certainly not been my experience. With Carbonmade, all small things are left to their department (Dave on user experience, branding and design; Jason on server infrastructure and code; and myself on everything outlined in "What's a Non-Programmer To Do?"). So small things are never an issue.

When anything game-changing comes along, I want time to be set aside for decision-making, and I don't see any advantage in keeping that time to a minimum. When there are three people involved it's easier to get through any deadlocks, so I'm not sure time is even lost. But no matter what, I wouldn't call spending time on big decisions a waste of time. Dave, Jason and I may be more fortunate than most people because Carbonmade is profitable and has no investors to date, hence we are free to take our time making careful decisions; but maybe if we hadn't taken that time we wouldn't be here today.

The Equity Dilemma

There are a few small disadvantages to having three co-founders instead of two. The main one is that your equity distribution is 33.33% each rather than 50% each. But the thing to remember here is that equity is meaningless unless you're bought out or you parcel out year-end distributions to shareholders.

As I argue above, I think that with three co-founders you're more likely succeed long-term, so I'd rather have 33.33% equity in a company that's going to see a buy out or be profitable enough to give distributions than 50% in a company that's less valuable. It's the same dilemma you have to think through when you're giving away 20% of your company to investors: will my smaller equity share yield me a bigger return in the end? You can never say for sure, but after all people take on investors because they believe the short-term personal sacrifice is worth it.

Whatever Floats Your Boat

The problem is that it's impossible to know whether things will work out between the two (or three) of you without trying it. That's why once you've found a group of people you're successful with, you're more likely to start up your next company with a similar co-founding/management team, or even the same one. You've successfully gone through it before and there are no more learning curves: you already know each other inside and out.

Whatever size team you choose, you've got to be fully comfortable with your co-founders. It doesn't matter whether it's with one other person or with two, if the vibe of the group is off then you're not going to go far. It's foolish to think that a complementary skill set and shared ambition is enough to get you through. It may get you past the early stages, but when times get tough — and they will — you need to know that the two (or three) of you can stick it out together. Revenue and user growth will help reconcile you at first to almost any bad chemistry, but in the long term there will be trouble.

If you're starting a new company with one or more other people for the first time and you see any personality conflicts or even divergence of vision developing, you need to break ties early. Anything small early on will fester and turn into something huge down the line. Small disagreements can be smoothed over for a while, but major differences in opinion or drastically different work styles may stand behind even the early signs, and should not be ignored.

So I'm not saying that having three co-founders will resolve chemistry problems. You can only mediate so far, so make sure you feel comfortable in your new partnership. Don't catch yourself feeling that you have to hold back your emotions, thoughts, or creative ideas. Leaving something you care about unspoken will typically lead to blow-ups down the line.

Comments

Sam Brown about 8 months ago

I think three is the perfect number for new startups as you say, idea guy, design guy and developer seems to me to be the most popular setup these days.

Ratifying ideas between two is always troublesome, three makes it easier but how do you make sure that you don't alienate your number three?

Also, location of founders? Is this important? Did this negatively impact you at all?

Luca Fusi about 8 months ago

Nice post - we just recently added a third guy to the design company I'm with (still in a very day-to-day startup sort of mindset) and it's been beneficial for most of the reasons you list.

The most invaluable thing that's come out of this has been having a third opinion onboard for decisions and discussions that would previously deadlock between myself and the creative director.

We're still hashing out a lot of the balancing that arises when you bring a third in after the two-person relationship's been firmly established (see Sam's comment re: not alienating #3), but so far, it's proving itself to be a great move.

Michael about 8 months ago

As someone that has a startup with two co-founders, I totally agree with your statement here: ''If you and your single co-founder don't agree on something, there's no third party to mediate. You're left in a deadlock with nowhere to turn.'' There have been countless times that we've been at a deadlock with no actionable result from it. Mostly because in business, there really isn't a wrong answer. It's kind of like poker. You make the best decision given the situation and hope for the best.

For the people that read your blog that aren't in the tech space, I have another equation for a good three-person team.

1) Creative/Ideas - Someone that is constantly thinking about new ideas, improving the product, developing marketing campaigns, etc. This is the guy that is always coming up with new ideas for the business. For execution, this can be your designer, etc.

2) Operations - This is the person that makes sure that the business is moving day-to-day. They are the one that grounds the team and brings them back to earth when they get way off base. This can be your CTO/CFO/COO.

3) Visionaire - This is the person that thinks really big. He can see where your business should be in 5, 10, 25 years and has strategies on how to get there. He's also the leader of your team, and someone your employees will respect and admire. Obviously, this will be your CEO

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Sam: Well, both of my two most successful startups had co-founders from different areas of the country. So from my own personal experience I don't think it's important for everyone to be working side-by-side at least early on.

However, like we're doing with Carbonmade, I think it's important to begin to transition the team to working locally when you really start to see serious traction and revenue gains. It's one of those things that you'll just know when you need to start working together face-to-face.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Luca: I was actually the third guy to come into the Carbonmade mix and I think that definitely shakes up the dynamic in a different way than starting with three. Carbonmade hadn't been fully established yet when I joined, as I joined nterface, which was our design studio, but it definitely takes a while to rebalance the group.

It's one of those things where the first two guys really need to start trusting the third guy and that jus takes time. Once there's mutual respect and trust across the board then things will begin to fly.

Jake about 8 months ago

Spencer Fry is a wunderkind. I currently have one partner, and we're talking about bulking up to a triumvirate. Of course, as Mr. Fry so eloquently intuited, we are having trouble making a decision about bringing on a third person, because we are only two people and could play cost/benefit ad nauseam. Which lends further credence to Mr. Fry's argument.

Thanks Spencer Fry!

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Michael: I like your poker analogy about there being no necessarily wrong answer and just making the best decision you can based on what you're presented with.

I also think you have the perfect mix of three people. It's important that you cover the basics: operations, design, and code. I think it's a lot stronger starting with these three as co-founders than having to hire/contract one or more.

Jay Standish about 8 months ago

Another good 3-way split is Operations, Sales/Marketing, and Finance/Meta.
I've been scheming a startup ''social enterprise'' with one other person, and now that we have decided to move forward with real development, our first step is to find another person. This will require us to explain and justify our assumptions to someone with a fresh perspective.
We have actually spent a reasonable amount of time getting to know each other socially, and now have a good idea of each others quirks, strengths and priorities.
Some say ''never go into business with friends or family.'' How true is this? Seems like a good interpersonal foundation is crucial.

mike simonsen about 8 months ago

I see there are three founder roles, sometimes you squeeze those into two people. I define the roles as:
1. product
2. code
3. sales

on a two person team 1+2 or 1+3 combine well.
Here's how the conversation should go
1: ''Here's what the world needs...''
2: ''I can automate that...''
3. ''and I'll keep callin em and callin em and callin em, until they buy.''

In the consumer internet startup world, the front end guy rises in prominence and may be the perfect person to fill the product-visionary role.

So there you go. I guess I concur.

Chris about 8 months ago

I was interested in your comments on “The Equity Dilemma”. If you get involved in a startup with equity as your primary focus, than you're doomed to fail. Passion and a belief in your product/service should be the focus.

Not that you never think about the equity — that's simply irresponsible. But it shouldn't be the focus.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Jay: The only problem with that split is that it leaves out a product / web designer. I think it's crucial to have someone that can do design on the founding team. Even if that person isn't a world class designer -- let's hope they are -- it'll still save you from a lot of headaches.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Chris: Equity should should never be a worry early on, certainly. However, if you don't clearly plan things out from the beginning it can get tricky down the line. It's just one of those things that you gotta get out of the way quickly so that you can move on to worrying about other things.

Vishal about 8 months ago

''Having three people can buy you more time, as three people can share the workload for longer.

Along those lines, two people can only put in, say, 12 hours a day for a total of 24 whereas three people can put in a total of 36 hours.''

This is a slippery slope. I can extend this argument to say: Having four people can buy me more time than three. Four people can put in a total of 48 hours; five people 60 hours, etc.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on how the dynamics change as you add more than three cofounders. What makes three better than 4?

Tim Van Van Damme about 8 months ago

Curious: You're looking to hire a third person. Let's say it's a developer. Will this person need to answer to the developing co-founder, or to all three founders?

Also: What about staying in charge as a single person? No co-founders, just one captain behind the steering wheel. You make all the decisions, the others can propose ideas.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Vishal: Certainly does become a slippery slope if you continue on with that math, but really only meant to compare two co-founders to three.

It's pretty much universally agreed on that anything past three co-founders is a bad idea. Why? With four you get back to an even number and deadlocking begins to become an issue again. Furthermore, with four or more you really do get the ''too many chefs'' problem, because you presumably have overlapping jobs. There's really only three major co-founder positions in any early age startup: (1) design, (2) code, and (3) business. What's that fourth guy to do? And lastly, dilution on your equity becomes a serious issue when you only own 25%. If you take any kind of outside investment and then start hiring employes, you're going to see your equity dip quickly.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Tim: It depends if one of the two co-founders is a technical co-founder or not. If both aren't then I'd expect that either (1) that person answers to both people or (2) that person becomes the lead developer and works with both rather than under either. I'd probably give that person a larger equity stake -- that vested over a three to four year timeframe -- and see how they performed with a more leading role.

A single co-founder is a tough cookie to crack. You need to have a lot of experience (you've hopefully already had a success or two), significant capital to invest into your startup, and the utmost respect from everyone under you. If you've got all that stuff under your belt then personally I don't think it's such a problem. However, the thing is that most bootstrapped startups don't have one of those guys so it's better to divide the load. Most successful single co-founders are on their second or third startup.

phin barnes about 8 months ago

Spencer-
I think your thought process is great and the advice on honesty both in the relationship as well as about it are excellent. I am not sure there is a ''right'' or ''ideal'' number of founders and I think you and the other comments point to the idea that you want to find co-founders with complementary skills who you trust enough to allow them to execute.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 8 months ago

Phin: Ultimately, it's true that there's no ''right'' or ''ideal'' number. I just know that you need a founding team that encompasses all of those skills I mentioned -- and the readers mentioned -- and for that you need three people.

Bobby about 8 months ago

I agree with those upthread: One of the most brilliant elements of having three cofounders is the ability to mediate deadlocks. Only in nature is three an unstable number.

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