Finding the Needles in the Haystack

Why competition is healthy.

This article was published on November 04, 2009.
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We share offices with Harvest and often rib each other when our competitors come out with something new. With the release of Haystack last week by 37signals, who have only produced small business software until now, it was my turn to take a few in the ribs. Haystack is self-proclaimed to "find the right Web Designer for your next project" and has a bit of a portfolio twist to it, but it really doesn't worry me.

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The More Competitors The Merrier

There's a lot to worry about when running a startup, but worrying about your competition is one of your least concerns. Competition means your market is big enough to support multiple companies. If you find yourself with a new competitor — or hopefully multiple competitors — it's time to rejoice, especially if they're venture-backed.

If a Venture Capitalist is backing a competitor of yours, you know you're working in a large market with a lot of upside. VCs generally give their first consideration to the quality of the team, but they also take market potential very seriously. A bootstrapped startup on the other hand may not worry about market potential as much, they just see a niche and hope to create a market as they go along. (That's true to a certain extent, anyway.) But VCs always worry about the market, hence VC backing for a competitor proves the market is out there.

I'm not advocating that you completely ignore your competitors. We don't. But if you're looking to them for key ideas and not focusing on your own product and your own users, then you're going to be a step behind. Typical things I look for in a new competitor are: who is behind it and what have they done before? Here are a few more things to keep in mind:

  1. Teams of two or fewer who are moonlighting aren't a cause for concern initially — until they start bootstrapping for real. A team working in their off-hours won't be able to compete with you if you're working full-time. If they do come out with something innovative, you'll have enough time to react.
  2. If the competitor's product is simply a carbon copy of ours, then I'm delighted, not worried. I can name a couple dozen Carbonmade copycats off the top of my head — teams that even copy our layout options and color schemes. They'll always be playing catch-up and are hundreds of thousands of users behind us. They tend to grab a few thousand users and then give up. You rarely see a second version from these people.
  3. Has this new competitor been successful with something else? This can be cause for minor concern. At Carbonmade, I was initially concerned when Krop released their portfolio tool after doing such a good job with their creative job market, but then again that was just a validation of our market size. (Side note: Krop was actually an early advertiser on Carbonmade before they launched their portfolio tool.) Haystack falls into the same category as Krop as it too was launched as another product by a successful team.

Close But No Cigar

So as I say, Haystack falls into my to-be-concerned-about category because of who is behind it. But at the same time it's different enough so that I can brush it off after a brief look-through. Haystack so far is simply a means of finding a new web designer, and that's not too worrying. They have implemented limited portfolio-like features and could, if they chose to, spend some time building out an online portfolio system, but I don't think that's the direction they'll take.

As Jason Fried wrote when introducing the product, “So there's another question we've been hearing a lot: ‘Can you recommend a web designer to help us with a project?' Now we'll have an answer to that question as well: Haystack.” They built Haystack to divert all the requests they were getting for web designer recommendations. I don't think he envisions the product being any more than a tool for offloading those requests. It also serves as a supplement to their job board.

Apart from that, in the end I think Haystack fails to produce real value for the job seeker and is more of a giant advertising billboard. My evidence to support this claim is that at the moment there are several companies listed there that have no intention of taking on designers work. They simply want their brand shown off. Many of these companies aren't even doing consulting work any more; like us, they did that in the past before releasing their own products.

Haystack is also choosing to charge web designers instead of charging the people who are hiring. And, as anyone who works in the creative arena knows: The best designers aren't going to pay for references because they have jobs coming in all of the time while the poorly-established people don't have the money to spend, hence you'll be left with the designers of middling quality. For this product to be truly successful, you need to be able to attract the best creative people. But don't get me wrong: they're still going to make a killing on this product.

Is Carbonmade Going to Compete With Haystack?

In my earlier article, 100,000 Users And So Can You, I mention in the second to last section that we spent all of 2008 working on a second product that we ended up scrapping. We even had a successful private beta. Well, that product would in fact have been a direct competitor for Haystack. So at least behind the scenes Carbonmade is a closer competitor to Haystack than it seems to be.

It's been very interesting for to me to see how 37signals chose to tackle the same problem that we came up against: it's just not that easy to find a web designer out there. Like 37signals, even now we get a dozen e-mails a week from people hoping we can recommend a designer to them even though we stopped doing consulting nearly two years ago. Their solution is a lot different from how we chose to tackle the problem. A lot different. I don't think there's necessarily one right or a wrong way to approach this challenge, but I don't think either that they've taken the best approach by any means.

I won't comment on the solution we came up with, but I will wrap up this article by reiterating my earlier point. Having competition is a good thing. Besides its validation of market potential, it allows you to see how other people tackle the problems you face yourself. This is not threatening, it's informative.

Comments

David Myers about 1 month ago

Great post Spencer - very insightful. (Good) competition also forces you to be innovative and come up with new solutions and ideas, which in turn helps your business more because of the scare from competitors.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

David: Agreed. Competition does force you to be innovative. You just want to make sure you're the one leading and not the one being led.

vadim about 1 month ago

very smart post. I like the analysis.

Ryan Graves about 1 month ago

''There's a lot to worry about when running a startup, but worrying about your competition is one of your least concerns.''

Spencer -- This is a very interesting notion and I'm trying to figure out how to balance this with the idea of doing extensive competitive research before you launch. For a while I was working on a project that was going to make ecommerce sites super simple, then I ran into Shopify and said, there goes that.

Where do you draw the line between competition as validation of your idea, and competition as a worry because of an overcrowded market?

Great, thought provoking post!

Chris Gwynne about 1 month ago

Interesting write up on how you take competition... seemingly in your stride. I think you're right that this seems to be it for HayStack, I don't envision that they'll progress things too much further.

Whilst there's a lot of directions they could take HayStack, I don't think it'll garner that much revenue as compared to their other ventures.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

Ryan: I think you have to look at the competition differently when you're in the pre-launch phase and when you're in the post-launch phase.

In the pre-launch phase, you need to be more aware of not entering an over saturated market. For example, I wouldn't try and build a Basecamp to compete with 37signals. They've got that on lock.

In a post-launch phase, however, if you find your product over time becomes more and more similar to other products out there because of market forces dictating its direction then I think competition is less cause for concern. You still need to be cognizant about what's happening, but it's not like scrapping your idea is an option if you've got traction.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

Chris: I think they're going to make a killing on Haystack. David Heinemeier Hansson was quoted in their recent podcast that they've already got 71 paying subscribers. At $100/month per subscriber, that's revenue of $7,100/month and $82,500/year as of that recording.

Chris Bowler about 1 month ago

Spencer, you're right in saying that competition is a good thing, especially when the market can support it.

We feel the same. And maybe — in the end — Haystack will be more of a competitor with us than with you ;)

Morgan Craft about 1 month ago

Great write-up Spencer, I totally agree competition as a good thing and helps validate the scope of a given market. Also, as a budding entrepreneur boot-strapping on the side, it is definitely hard to build a large product working 20 hours a week trying to compete with an established business.

One thing I also noticed while flipping through the NY section of Haystack were companies that aren't design firms but product companies using the page as an advertising outlet. One I noticed specifically because I met the founders at SXSW. Anyways, this type of abuse I feel devalues Haystack's purpose - in connecting people. Not products.

Great articles, keep em coming.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

Chris: I can't see what direction Haystack would take where it'd be a competitor to Fusion Ads. However, I can say with certainty that there's enough room for both Fusion Ads, The DECK, and any others that crop up.

Morgan: Thanks! Yeah. That's my point in bullet point one. There's just no way for someone bootstrapping to be of any worry unless they do something truly out of the ordinary. And then that still gives you room to react.

Kevin Holesh about 1 month ago

''In the pre-launch phase, you need to be more aware of not entering an over saturated market. For example, I wouldn't try and build a Basecamp to compete with 37signals. They've got that on lock.''

You've got a point there. The general project management has a ton of competitors and did before Basecamp was even a twinkle in Jason's eye.

I disagree that you shouldn't enter the market based on that premise though. There's plenty of room for you as the best project management tool for architects or farmers. If you're a small enough team to survive on having 0.3% of the overall market share and 60% of the market share for architects, I say go for it!

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

Kevin: I should have been more clear. My point is better expressed as: There are plenty of original ideas out there so when you're initially starting out entering a heavily contested market isn't ideal. You're better off finding a niche that has fewer competitors and then building out from there. Because as you grow, having lots of competition becomes less worrisome.

Kevin Holesh about 1 month ago

Spencer: I think we're on the exact same page. Thanks for clearing that up :-)

Jon Steinberg about 1 month ago

I also think that it's never the competitor that you are worrying about that is the one that actually presents a challenge. Also the percent of companies that are killed by competition, is much smaller than the number that killed by a business model flaw or lack of adoption.

Finally, I think real competition tends to be more of factor at later stages: i.e. Twitter vs. Facebook...

For the most part: ''a rising tide lifts all boats'' in the same sea....see my post: http://www.jonsteinberg.com/2009/05/a-rising-tide-lifts-all-boats-or-enough-to-eat-for-everyone/

Jon Steinberg about 1 month ago

Also you need to add disqus.com comments here...

Denny Deaton about 1 month ago

Spencer, This is a really nice perspective on competition and the new product from 37Signals. While I like Haystack and think it will do well, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

I only have one minor argument to your post. In your first item for concerns for competition, ''Teams of two or fewer who are moonlighting aren't a cause for concern initially''. Having a larger team or devoting more man hours to something doesn't necessarily make it a better product or more threatening to others in the market.

I co-created humzoo.com two years ago. It's a ''moonlit'' project and has been worked on solely after hours by just two of us. We started small, kept things simple and have made some really good progress with just two people. We're growing steadily and have no plans to add more to the team anytime soon.

I think the overall concept/idea, how you implement it and how you market it is what makes you successful and competitive in the market, not how many people are behind it.

Once again, excellent post! I recently stumbled on your site and Carbonmade. Nothing but impressed! Keep up the great work.

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

Jon: We should just co-write a blog. I swear me and you write on the same topics and are likeminded on most things. I totally agree that it's way more of an issue in the later stages.

As far as Disqus is concerned, I like a lot of their features, but feel as if it's turning a bit into bloatware. I'd like to see a ''lite'' version and then I'd switch to it in a second. I just don't like all the fancy bells and whistles.

Denny: I should have been a bit clearer with that point. I'm not saying you have to be a large team to do well whatsoever. Carbonmade is only three and we were only two for the first year. What I'm saying is that if a competitor comes along that's not working full-time, our company is able to react more quickly and fend them off specifically because we are working full-time.

That's not necessarily to say that putting in more hours makes your product better. However, if you have the right team and the right strategy, having more hours in your day to work on your product puts you at an advantage over a team that can only dedicate 10-20 hours a week.

Kevin Owocki about 1 month ago

I think the level of concern you direct to your competition really depends on the market and product you are offering. Some markets are really zero-sum game, others aren't. For many consumers, they either go Mac or PC, rarely both. When a designer goes looking for new clients, they may use both Carbonmade and Haystack (at least initially).

Logo of Spencer Fry Spencer Fry about 1 month ago

I agree that there's a lot more room for play in our market than in some others (like Mac vs. PC). You have the same thing going for you with your startup too, Kevin. Online daters are going to be attracted to multiple service offerings.

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